Hogwarts houses
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rheinsbergAuthor: selenak, mildred_of_midgard, cahn
Original discussion: https://cahn.dreamwidth.org/167862.html?thread=1994934#cmt1994934
selenak:
The easy ones:
Émilie: Ravenclaw.
AW: Gryffindor.
Ulrike: Slytherin.
Fredersdorf: Hufflepuff.
Franz Stephan: Hufflepuff
Peter Keith: Ravenclaw
Wilhelmine: Ravenclaw, though insisted on being sorted into Gryffindor or Slytherin (whichever it was) to keep Fritz company
Algarotti: Ravenclaw
Trenck: the dumbest Gryffindor. But definitely Gryffindor.
Gustav: the dumbest Slytherin. Seriously.
EC: Hufflepuff
SD: Slytherin
The trickier ones:
MT: Gryffindor with strong Slytherin streak or Slytherin with a strong Gryffindor streak? You decide.
Fritz: Ditto. Bravery, ambition and cunning all dominant traits.
Voltaire: Ravenclaw gone bad or superintellectual Slytherin? You decide.
Katte: Gryffindor. Despite his interest in the arts, I don't see him as a Ravenclaw.
Heinrich: Is Fritz' other self, so, see above.
Joseph: Ravenclaw who thinks he's a Slytherin.
FW: Gryffindor gone bad who thinks he's a Hufflepuff
mildred_of_midgard:
Katte: Gryffindor. Despite his interest in the arts, I don't see him as a Ravenclaw.
Easy one for me too. Dyed-in-the-wool Gryffindor. Loyalty notwithstanding, I don't even see him as a Hufflepuff, as in your pre-edited comment.
MT: Gryffindor with strong Slytherin streak or Slytherin with a strong Gryffindor streak? You decide.
Fritz: Ditto. Bravery, ambition and cunning all dominant traits.
Not sure about MT, but I see Fritz as the Slytherin who argued with the Sorting Hat for several minutes that he was a Ravenclaw, the ULTIMATE RAVENCLAW, but the Hat refused to fall for it. "Green and silver table for you, kid."
Strong Gryffindor streak, definitely. And I hated the way Slytherin was characterized in the books--I would have liked a lot more nuance--so I'm always torn between "how JKR presented Slytherin" and "how I would present Slytherin" when sorting people there, but then I'm going to ruin all our fun if I go on my rant of "If you want to fuck kids up, sort them into a house at age 11, tell them their entire experience in life will be governed by one personality trait that's set in stone, oh, and make sure one of the houses is the evil house, that will help."
Wilhelmine: Ravenclaw, though insisted on being sorted into Gryffindor or Slytherin (whichever it was) to keep Fritz company
Awww. <3 In the AU where she's the younger sister, definitely. If we go with my take on Fritz and their canonical ages, though...he tries hard for Ravenclaw and gets Slytherin, ouch. :(
Voltaire: Ravenclaw gone bad or superintellectual Slytherin? You decide.
This is a hard one! I keep going back and forth. Where's the Odysseus house? Like Fritz, a strong Gryffindor streak--it takes a notable amount of courage to provoke all authorities at every turn and campaign for justice, even after being locked in the Bastille and fleeing for his life multiple times--but I wouldn't sort him in Gryffindor. Fritz I can see in Gryffindor more easily.
Let's say Ravenclaw, with Émilie, and Fritz is watching with resentment and envy from Slytherin. After Émilie graduates (we'll have to make her a bit older in this one), Fritz finally succeeds in his campaign to have Voltaire eat at the Slytherin table. The rest is left as an exercise to the reader. ;)
Heinrich: Is Fritz' other self, so, see above.
Heinrich *behaves* like a Gryffindor with a strong Slytherin streak, but it's hard to say how much of their differences in actions were due to differences in opportunity. Switch their birth order and see how much their differences flip from one to the other.
Suhm: Ravenclaw
selenak:
re: MT - my reasoning is that she was, hands down, ambitious. Jessen reminded me again - we don't have one but two ambassadors reporting before her father dies that the arch duchess had the absolute intention to rule. (As in, rule herself, not let her husband do it.) The British ambassador even marveled that she seemed to regarded Dad as the administrator of her future property who frustratingly refuses to let her have a look. And this just wasn't normal for her her day - these two ambassadors aside, everyone else, including her father, expected FS to rule and MT, since she clearly loved him, to be totally supportive of this. So while bravery is undoubtedly also a prominent trait - which was the earliest one Fritz would grant her as a good quality - I do think the hat would be torn.
Let's say Ravenclaw, with Émilie, and Fritz is watching with resentment and envy from Slytherin. After Émilie graduates (we'll have to make her a bit older in this one), Fritz finally succeeds in his campaign to have Voltaire eat at the Slytherin table. The rest is left as an exercise to the reader. ;)
*highfives* Yes yes. Though, Émilie doesn't have to be older - Voltaire must repeat a year (oh, the indignity!) because he collected so many punishments and was absent so often for various reasons. He still passed all the tests, but whoever was the headmaster insisted a point had to be made.
Heinrich: insists on Gryffindor because AW is there, despite the hat pointing out to him he might be unhappy there because it doesn't entirely suit him. At some point, it's time for the "what if Fritz was never born?" episode and Heinrich is appalled to find himself as one of the most ruthless Slytherins around.
(Ferdinand is a Hufflepuff; that's easy again.)
Catherine is of course Slytherin. Marie Antoinette is a not very bright but brave type of Gryffindor. Henri de Catt thinks he's a Ravenclaw and actually is one until constantly hanging out with Fritz awakens his inner Slytherin, not that he's a good one.
mildred_of_midgard: Wait, we didn't sort Lehndorff! Obvious Hufflepuff is obvious?
selenak: Agreed, with the slight caveat that I‘d also buy Lehndorff as an unassuming Ravenclaw. He‘s not supersmart, and can be quite clueless emotionally, but his fondness for books and theatre seems to be a life long thing rather than something he only picked up as a young man wanting to advance at the court of a „philosopher thing“, and as opposed to people who shall remain Fritz and Heinrich, he‘s at least ready to watch occasionally plays in German and read German books now and then, even if he remains imprinted on French culture - he has an open, curious mind when it comes to the arts. What‘s more, he’s truly interested in people and curious about other countries. (Interested in history, too, see him reading about the Stuarts as a young man and going „WTF was going on with that family?“ or later in life making all those Liselotte letter excerpts in his notebook.) And if he‘s reading Rousseau‘s Confessions while being shaken by a 18th century carriage, he‘s able to focus to an admirable degree.
cahn:
MT: Gryffindor with strong Slytherin streak or Slytherin with a strong Gryffindor streak? You decide.
I think MT is a lot like Harry in that she's got plenty of ambition and plenty of courage, and the Hat would be torn. (She's also, of course, completely unlike Harry in a lot of ways.) I also think that she'd argue with the Hat for Gryffindor, because she'd like to think of the "courage" part as the defining part of her personality, and would end up there for basically that reason. (Whether the whole "houses = defining personality traits" division even makes sense or is hella unhealthy, as you and mildred have said, is another matter entirely, of course! Just going by what we've seen in the books.)
Fritz: Ditto. Bravery, ambition and cunning all dominant traits.
I think Fritz would end up in Slytherin. LOLOLOL to y'all's discussion, yeah, I think after Wilhelmine gets sorted into Ravenclaw he's like "OBVIOUSLY I am the ULTIMATE RAVENCLAW, YOU MUST SORT ME WITH HER" and the Hat is all "naw."
At this point either the Hat is so fed up with him that it just yells, "SLYTHERIN!" or gives Fritz the choice between Gryffindor and Slytherin. Fritz remembers MT has been sorted into Gryffindor, is all "They let WOMEN in there!" and picks Slytherin himself.
(OK, OK, I know MT is younger. She seems older though! :P )
mildred_of_midgard: Seckendorff: Slytherin!
selenak: I think we can safely assign him and Grumbkow both. Along with Mantteufel, though Mantteufel might also work as a Ravenclaw with Slytherin leanings.
selenak, mildred_of_midgard, cahnOriginal discussion: https://cahn.dreamwidth.org/167862.html?thread=1994934#cmt1994934
selenak: The easy ones:
Émilie: Ravenclaw.
AW: Gryffindor.
Ulrike: Slytherin.
Fredersdorf: Hufflepuff.
Franz Stephan: Hufflepuff
Peter Keith: Ravenclaw
Wilhelmine: Ravenclaw, though insisted on being sorted into Gryffindor or Slytherin (whichever it was) to keep Fritz company
Algarotti: Ravenclaw
Trenck: the dumbest Gryffindor. But definitely Gryffindor.
Gustav: the dumbest Slytherin. Seriously.
EC: Hufflepuff
SD: Slytherin
The trickier ones:
MT: Gryffindor with strong Slytherin streak or Slytherin with a strong Gryffindor streak? You decide.
Fritz: Ditto. Bravery, ambition and cunning all dominant traits.
Voltaire: Ravenclaw gone bad or superintellectual Slytherin? You decide.
Katte: Gryffindor. Despite his interest in the arts, I don't see him as a Ravenclaw.
Heinrich: Is Fritz' other self, so, see above.
Joseph: Ravenclaw who thinks he's a Slytherin.
FW: Gryffindor gone bad who thinks he's a Hufflepuff
mildred_of_midgard:Katte: Gryffindor. Despite his interest in the arts, I don't see him as a Ravenclaw.
Easy one for me too. Dyed-in-the-wool Gryffindor. Loyalty notwithstanding, I don't even see him as a Hufflepuff, as in your pre-edited comment.
MT: Gryffindor with strong Slytherin streak or Slytherin with a strong Gryffindor streak? You decide.
Fritz: Ditto. Bravery, ambition and cunning all dominant traits.
Not sure about MT, but I see Fritz as the Slytherin who argued with the Sorting Hat for several minutes that he was a Ravenclaw, the ULTIMATE RAVENCLAW, but the Hat refused to fall for it. "Green and silver table for you, kid."
Strong Gryffindor streak, definitely. And I hated the way Slytherin was characterized in the books--I would have liked a lot more nuance--so I'm always torn between "how JKR presented Slytherin" and "how I would present Slytherin" when sorting people there, but then I'm going to ruin all our fun if I go on my rant of "If you want to fuck kids up, sort them into a house at age 11, tell them their entire experience in life will be governed by one personality trait that's set in stone, oh, and make sure one of the houses is the evil house, that will help."
Wilhelmine: Ravenclaw, though insisted on being sorted into Gryffindor or Slytherin (whichever it was) to keep Fritz company
Awww. <3 In the AU where she's the younger sister, definitely. If we go with my take on Fritz and their canonical ages, though...he tries hard for Ravenclaw and gets Slytherin, ouch. :(
Voltaire: Ravenclaw gone bad or superintellectual Slytherin? You decide.
This is a hard one! I keep going back and forth. Where's the Odysseus house? Like Fritz, a strong Gryffindor streak--it takes a notable amount of courage to provoke all authorities at every turn and campaign for justice, even after being locked in the Bastille and fleeing for his life multiple times--but I wouldn't sort him in Gryffindor. Fritz I can see in Gryffindor more easily.
Let's say Ravenclaw, with Émilie, and Fritz is watching with resentment and envy from Slytherin. After Émilie graduates (we'll have to make her a bit older in this one), Fritz finally succeeds in his campaign to have Voltaire eat at the Slytherin table. The rest is left as an exercise to the reader. ;)
Heinrich: Is Fritz' other self, so, see above.
Heinrich *behaves* like a Gryffindor with a strong Slytherin streak, but it's hard to say how much of their differences in actions were due to differences in opportunity. Switch their birth order and see how much their differences flip from one to the other.
Suhm: Ravenclaw
selenak:re: MT - my reasoning is that she was, hands down, ambitious. Jessen reminded me again - we don't have one but two ambassadors reporting before her father dies that the arch duchess had the absolute intention to rule. (As in, rule herself, not let her husband do it.) The British ambassador even marveled that she seemed to regarded Dad as the administrator of her future property who frustratingly refuses to let her have a look. And this just wasn't normal for her her day - these two ambassadors aside, everyone else, including her father, expected FS to rule and MT, since she clearly loved him, to be totally supportive of this. So while bravery is undoubtedly also a prominent trait - which was the earliest one Fritz would grant her as a good quality - I do think the hat would be torn.
Let's say Ravenclaw, with Émilie, and Fritz is watching with resentment and envy from Slytherin. After Émilie graduates (we'll have to make her a bit older in this one), Fritz finally succeeds in his campaign to have Voltaire eat at the Slytherin table. The rest is left as an exercise to the reader. ;)
*highfives* Yes yes. Though, Émilie doesn't have to be older - Voltaire must repeat a year (oh, the indignity!) because he collected so many punishments and was absent so often for various reasons. He still passed all the tests, but whoever was the headmaster insisted a point had to be made.
Heinrich: insists on Gryffindor because AW is there, despite the hat pointing out to him he might be unhappy there because it doesn't entirely suit him. At some point, it's time for the "what if Fritz was never born?" episode and Heinrich is appalled to find himself as one of the most ruthless Slytherins around.
(Ferdinand is a Hufflepuff; that's easy again.)
Catherine is of course Slytherin. Marie Antoinette is a not very bright but brave type of Gryffindor. Henri de Catt thinks he's a Ravenclaw and actually is one until constantly hanging out with Fritz awakens his inner Slytherin, not that he's a good one.
mildred_of_midgard: Wait, we didn't sort Lehndorff! Obvious Hufflepuff is obvious?selenak: Agreed, with the slight caveat that I‘d also buy Lehndorff as an unassuming Ravenclaw. He‘s not supersmart, and can be quite clueless emotionally, but his fondness for books and theatre seems to be a life long thing rather than something he only picked up as a young man wanting to advance at the court of a „philosopher thing“, and as opposed to people who shall remain Fritz and Heinrich, he‘s at least ready to watch occasionally plays in German and read German books now and then, even if he remains imprinted on French culture - he has an open, curious mind when it comes to the arts. What‘s more, he’s truly interested in people and curious about other countries. (Interested in history, too, see him reading about the Stuarts as a young man and going „WTF was going on with that family?“ or later in life making all those Liselotte letter excerpts in his notebook.) And if he‘s reading Rousseau‘s Confessions while being shaken by a 18th century carriage, he‘s able to focus to an admirable degree.cahn:MT: Gryffindor with strong Slytherin streak or Slytherin with a strong Gryffindor streak? You decide.
I think MT is a lot like Harry in that she's got plenty of ambition and plenty of courage, and the Hat would be torn. (She's also, of course, completely unlike Harry in a lot of ways.) I also think that she'd argue with the Hat for Gryffindor, because she'd like to think of the "courage" part as the defining part of her personality, and would end up there for basically that reason. (Whether the whole "houses = defining personality traits" division even makes sense or is hella unhealthy, as you and mildred have said, is another matter entirely, of course! Just going by what we've seen in the books.)
Fritz: Ditto. Bravery, ambition and cunning all dominant traits.
I think Fritz would end up in Slytherin. LOLOLOL to y'all's discussion, yeah, I think after Wilhelmine gets sorted into Ravenclaw he's like "OBVIOUSLY I am the ULTIMATE RAVENCLAW, YOU MUST SORT ME WITH HER" and the Hat is all "naw."
At this point either the Hat is so fed up with him that it just yells, "SLYTHERIN!" or gives Fritz the choice between Gryffindor and Slytherin. Fritz remembers MT has been sorted into Gryffindor, is all "They let WOMEN in there!" and picks Slytherin himself.
(OK, OK, I know MT is younger. She seems older though! :P )
mildred_of_midgard: Seckendorff: Slytherin!selenak: I think we can safely assign him and Grumbkow both. Along with Mantteufel, though Mantteufel might also work as a Ravenclaw with Slytherin leanings.
