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It began with me being unsupervised at the Charlottenburg Palace, and posting "I'm in Berlin, and I find myself wondering...if Fritz and EC had somehow conceived a child during the Rheinsberg years, what happens? Other than trauma."

In which we all traumatise hypothetical children )

So, here they are, Sophia Wilhelmine Antoinette of Prussia, b. 1737, and her little brother Friedrich Karl Emil, b. 1739, ready for the horrors of the 18th century. Specifically...marriage.

I wanna marry Friedrich Karl Emil )

Whether SWA marries, I could not say. I feel like either Fritz finds her the most brilliant match possible, or her makes her a lady Abbess so that she can stay with him like Wilhelmine couldn't, and she gets to have an affair with her SIL.

(I also like the idea that, whatever FKE's personality was, he has the reproductive luck of the father of the current King of Sweden, who had four daughters before they managed a son, and died nine months later)

Heinrich, in 1786, made regent for a small child: My time has come.
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The German Historical Museum in Berlin, the modern building part of which is just behind a baroque building founded by F1, is currently running an exhibition titled "What is Enlightenment? Questions to the 18th Century". Said exhibition features various entries of Frederician interest (and much more of general interest, but I was pressed for time and had to be selective.)

Objects include a Fritz manuscript beta'd by Voltaire and Émilie's Newton translation )

And that's just a small selection of a very good exhibition, the website of which is here.
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[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard came across some letters from Tido von Knyphausen, older brother of Peter von Keith's wife Oriane, and pieced together some episodes in his life.

Oriane had one older brother who died as a baby, and one older brother, Tido Friedrich, of whom Wikipedia simply says "Went to Batavia." Batavia was in the Dutch East Indies, modern day Jakarta in Indonesia.


A Knyphausen Satire )

A Knyphausen Vagabond )

A Knyphausen Abroad )

In the archives, there is a document or set of documents concerning "The arrest of Baron Tido Friedrich zu Inn- und Knyphausen at the request of his mother." I am planning to attempt to get a copy of this document.
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[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard transcribed the reports written by Colonel Du Moulin and Envoy Meinerzhagen to Frederick William describing their failed attempts to capture Peter Keith when he escaped in 1730.

Du Moulin's handwriting and spelling are unusual, and part of one page is ripped with missing words, so this is more of a "you get the gist" translation than anything complete or high quality.

Meinerzhagen, August 15 )

FW replies saying he's sending Du Moulin to help in the pursuit, and they're to work together, and also, "As to the difficulty that he can't be arrested because he's only a deserter, that's easily lifted, because he's committed the crime of high treason." I.e., conspiring with Fritz.

Du Moulin, August 17 )

Meinerzhagen, August 18 )

Du Moulin, August 22 )

Meinerzhagen, August 22 )

Du Moulin, September 10 )
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Charlottenburg, originally built for Sophie Charlotte, the first Queen in (!) Prussia, grandmother of our antihero and usually credited with bringing the intellectual and musical streak into the family, became one of the most splendid Berlin palaces. From Fritz' ascension in 1740 to ca. 1748, when Sanssouci was finished, it also served as one of his main residences, and was definitely where any grand festivities took place. Later Hohenzollerns like FW2 liked it a lot as well. Courtesy of the Royal Air Force, it burned in 1943, so the restoration took quite a while, but the result is very, very impressive. Both the Old Palace in its baroque splendour and the New Palace in its more airy Rokoko playfulness.

Charlottenburg See

Charlottenburg from the outside )

The Old Palace: Sophie Charlotte and F1 )

Leaving the Old Palace behind, let's go to the New Palace, where a visitor experiences the rooms in reverse chronological order.

FW3 and Luise: The Classical Look )

FW2: Surprisingly Stylish! )

Now comes a section which is a Mildred special - MAPS MAPS MAPS! Showing how the Hohenzollern went from medieval robber barons to princes elector to dominating German power.

MAPS MAPS MAPS )

Moving on to Frederician Rokoko )


Brücke und Schloss
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Authors: [personal profile] selenak, [personal profile] cahn
Original discussion: https://cahn.dreamwidth.org/200007.html?thread=4252999#cmt4252999

[personal profile] selenak: So, at fail fandom anon, they have this "am I the asshole?" meme where a fictional (usually emotionally clueless) character asks this question in universe. I thought this was made for the Hohenzollern (and many of their social circle), so, here we go:

I, m34, was just trying to look out for my bratty younger sibling, m20 - there's this hot guy, total prick tease, whom the brat is swooning about. I might have said the guy has STD and made fun of his everything, and now the brat isn't talking to me anymore, when I was just being concerned for his health! AITA?

I, f55, always wanted the best for my children, especially when it came to their marriages. Now my oldest daughter looks at me as if I'm a madwoman just because I told her she should treat her new husband like her brother and not have sex with him so we can still annul this wretched marriage she should never have agreed to in the first place! She knows how much this means to me, and yet she betrayed me this way, she should be grateful I'm still talking to her at all! AITA?

I should have known this would happen, but: here I am, making some money on the side while providing heroic beta-reading services and writing my own stuff and defending an unfairly attacked guy against a shitstorm - and what happens? The guy who's been hitting on me for 16 years before I finally agreed to move in with him all of a sudden leads the shitstorm, attacks me while he's at it, burns my latest masterpiece and has me arrested while complaining to all our mutual friends that IATA!!!!!

[personal profile] cahn: Now my oldest daughter looks at me as if I'm a madwoman just because I told her she should treat her new husband like her brother and not have sex with him so we can still annul this wretched marriage she should never have agreed to in the first place!

omg, lol SD! I am going to say, YTABPAC, an acronym I just now made up that means "you're the asshole but possibly also crazy" :) Because when you put it like that...

As for your third one, he got some replies:
(just to be complete, for mildred:
ESH = "Everyone sucks here"
YTA = "You're the asshole"
NTA = "Not the asshole")

RandomRedditAddict
I can't help thinking there are a heck of a lot of missing reasons here. How is that you "should have known" this would happen? It's a little hard to say without more details, but I'm leaning ESH on this one.

MyActualNameIsGreaterThanThis
YTA. RRAddict's post above has a great point, missing reasons galore. Maybe you were really mean and annoying and made fun of this poor guy behind his back, whose only crime was thinking you were amazing?? And, like, are you kidding me, people don't just get arrested for NO REASON. I bet there was totally a reason, like maybe you STOLE his stuff!!

[personal profile] selenak: So here I, m, am, having a long term affair with the love of my life (m), procreating in my marriage (with f), having an affair with a bimbo (f) on the side, and mentoring this guy who has admittedly exciting future job prospects in my non existant spare time - and then that utter bastard first has sex with the bimbo, then, when I complain about it, dumps me as an mentor! I'll never get over it! His mother totally agrees with me, but the jerk still refuses to apologize - I don't need to ask whether AITA, because I know I'm not!

Here I, m64, was, enjoying my retirement as a PRIVATE CITIZEN, mentoring a few promising young people both in my state of residence and state of (former) employement, when it occured to me that takingon one more young fellow as a protegé might result in a general improvement of affairs for a great many people due to the kid's future job prospects. Now I was intensely familiar with people in his future line of work and let me tell you, most of these are jerks, with a lot of people suffering for it. His father was one of the worst. Any improvement there was enough of an incentive to lure me out of my retirement. Now I might have used a few questionable methods at first, but those prostitutes could use the money, so could various male friends in his social circle, and also, the competitition did the same thing. For a while, we seemed to hit it off and he expanded his intellectual horizon by listening to my reading tips, but unfortunately, the combination of other influences and an admittedly ill advised photobombing let to an enstragement. Well, at least I got a golden knob for a walking stick out of it, but when the kid, once on the job, immediately initiated a hostile takeover of the worst type, I couldn't help but wonder: could I have prevented this? was I the asshole there?

I, m, am a good looking career guy who used to be a in a steady relationship with someone in the same profession. Okay, my superior, but not the ultimate boss. (Could have had him, too, back in the day, if I'd wanted.) Now, maybe I was a bit high-handed when treating most of my s.o.'s hangers-on as the parasites they were, but I was just looking out for him! I mean, we've been through years of a high stress situation together, and now that's over, he's dumping me for some younger bit of fluff? Am I supposed to take that lying down?!!!! Of course I raised holy hell, I mean, who wouldn't, and okay, maybe hitting on his wife wasn't the best tactic, but I know he's been wanting to divorce her for eons. Anyway, the point is: I've been transferred to the back of beyond while the himbo got a gorgeous estate, and I still don't know how that happened. AITA?

I, m, really want everyone to be happy, and can't help it if many of them hit on me. I also want a steady job. Somehow, this evolved into a situation where this woman whom I had pay my travelling expenses thinks we'll live together while the guy in whose house I lived is having a fit because I had dinner with her on my last evening in town. But did either of them get me the job I wanted? They did not! So what's to complain about? AITA?

Some years ago I, m, and my long term companion, f, agreed to put our relationship on a non-sexual footing. AT the time, I thought it was a good idea, what with me being often ill and also way older. Since then, however, I discovered that I still can enjoy sex with a different woman. This doesn't impact on my relationship with my long-term companion, right? I mean, since we agreed to go platonic anyway, and I'm still as attracted as ever by her mind? It's just, there's this good looking younger guy hitting on her these days, and it looks like she's attracted to him, and I can't see that going anywhere good, so I said so, and we had an almighty row, especially after she found out about my other relationship. Okay, maybe I shouldn't have said "it's not like we're married" or "ditch the he-man, he's just after your money", but was that a reason for calling me a love rat and an overrated hack?!? AITA?

I, m41, am a loving family man with a strong work ethic and good Christian values. All I want is for my family to share those, especially my oldest son. To that end, I appointed him the best teachers, ensured he's always supervised and thus does not feel neglected, and spared him the awful stupid lessons I had to endure as a kid. Like Latin and ancient history. All I want in return is for him to be exactly like me, is this too much to ask? But no. He keeps grimacing when I'm around, ridicules all I hold dear, keeps lying to me, gets into debts and in general shows every sign of becoming the kind of lazy slob bound to ruin my life's work! So naturally I took counter measures. Some of them might have been drastic, like sending bad influences away and dragging him in front of two armies, but they were for his own good! Anyone could see that! And now the kid has humilated me in front of Europe by trying to run away, even conspiring with my own employes in order to do so. I might have overreacted when telling his mother he was dead, slapping his sister and telling him his mother doesn't care anymore, but I don't think so. It's just, my other kid, who's usually good as gold, now doesn't want to join my favourite profession anymore. AITA?

[personal profile] cahn:

DerAlteD
NTA. Kid should be more grateful. Maybe the problem is that he doesn't really see how much you do for him. I bet more family time would help, bring him to your nights out with the guys or whatever you do for fun. Or find him a nice girl! That's what he needs. Bonus is that your other kid will see all this and realize that the male authority figures really do know best.

pastorb
Depends on what you mean by "bad influences" -- I hope you're not trying to totally cut him off from his friends, that would be YTA territory for sure.

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YTA. I just feel like if someone wants to run away, then that's your answer right there, you know?
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Author: [personal profile] selenak, [personal profile] cahn
Original discussion: https://cahn.dreamwidth.org/221655.html?thread=5432535#cmt5432535

[personal profile] selenak: I mean, I can't imagine a more stressful position than having to fulfill both Fritz' and Heinrich's sexual and emotional needs at the same time, honestly. Which is probably why it never happened - I mean, real Marwitz may very well have been Heinrich's first love, i.e. before Heinrich got into the poly habit, but he definitely was never Fritz' sole pretty distraction. (Also, in the relevant era, post Silesia 2, Fredersdorf was of course alive and (relatively) well.) Meanwhile, even boastful Kalckreuth who is convinced he could have had Fritz (and that Heinrich should have been more grateful) doesn't imply he could have managed Fritz and Heinrich at the same time, let alone without any other boytoys. And Fritz loathed Kaphengst, who might have had the self confidence and lack of common sense to try such a mighty feat.

Discussion )
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As summarized by Selena, Ziebura's take on the episode in which Heinrich is offered a crown:

August III of Poland & Saxony had died in 1763, and a polish delegation lead by Andreas Mokranowski showed up in Prussia to offer the crown to Heinrich. Now, not only was this when Fritz and Heinrich had just had one of their frequent bust-ups (this one involved the immortal dialogue "mon cher, you just don't understand" "Oh, I think I'm old enough to understand" (exit Heinrich to Rheinsberg, seriously, this from two men who'd just won the 7 Years War), but it also conflicted with Catherine's desire to put her boyfriend, the later unexpectedly self determined Poniatowski on the Polish throne. Fritz, who did not want a new conflict with Russia, therefore forebade Andreas Mokranowski to as much as speak to Heinrich. Who didn't find out until becoming buddies with Catherine years later when negotioting the first Separation of Poland.

As part of [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard's Poland research, she across a 1905 article by Volz that says, "Not so fast."

Ziebura's account, according to Volz, is the traditional picture repeated by historian after historian, all of whom are copying each other (Volz puts some passages side by side to show the copying evidence), but this claim, as stated, goes back to some very unreliable sources that get everything wrong. The most reliable sources we have, which are unfortunately not as primary source as we would like, but summaries of speeches made orally, have a slightly different take.

First, some political background: There were two parties in Poland, the pro-Russian party led by the Czartoryskis and Poniatowskis (remember that they intermarried), aka "The Family", and the pro-French "Patriots" led by Branicki and Prince Radziwill. When Catherine sent Russian troops to occupy Poland in 1764, Branicki tried to defy them, but he and his troops were forced to flee to Hungary. Then he decided to ask Russia's ally Prussia to mediate.

Right as this was happening, Fritz was finally signing the treaty with Catherine, in which he pledged himself to support Poniatowski as king.

Branicki sent Mokranowski to Berlin to ask Fritz to do two things: 1) Prevent any alteration of the traditional Polish liberties that were aimed at strengthening the monarch's powers, 2) mediate between the two parties.

We have the goals of the delegation and Fritz's handwritten marginal notes in reply, and there is not a single syllable about Heinrich or offering the crown to him.

The only sources we have that mention Heinrich are reports that claim to go back to Mokranowski. An anonymously published life of Heinrich (1784) says that Mokranowski came not from Branicki but from a Polish confederation, and that the purpose of the delegation was to offer Heinrich the crown, and, worst of all, he dates the episode to the First Polish Partition, several years later!

Another anonymous life of Heinrich (1809) copies from it (both the language and the same mistakes show this), but adds the detail that Mokranowski made two trips to Berlin, one in 1764 and one in 1768, with the same request, and was rejected twice. Volz says we know for a fact that Mokranowski only made one trip, in 1764, and that there is clearly a lot of fictionalization happening here.

The most reliable sources we have are summaries made of the speech Mokranowski made when he got back to Poland, when he reported what he and Fritz had said orally. (Unfortunately, we don't have Mokranowski's direct take.)

There is one by a Polish noble named Mosczynki and an anonymous one. In what they include, they pretty much agree, but the anonymous one, which includes more detail, is the only one to mention Heinrich.

Then there's a book on the history of Poland by a Frenchman named Rulhière (cited extensively by de Broglie as well as the H-W bio), that also mentions Heinrich. Now, Rulhière had been in Russia in 1762 and had written an eyewitness account of the Revolution (that Wikipedia tells me was only published posthumously, as Catherine kept trying to destroy it), but he was *not* an eyewitness of the 1764 events. His account of the 1764 delegation to Fritz is largely based on Mosczynki's account, but it includes some extra details not in there (like Heinrich). There is some evidence he knew Mokranowski personally, especially since Mokranowski stayed in Paris from August 1769. However, Rulhière also makes some mistakes in his account, like saying Mokranowski went to Berlin on his own accord, rather than on behalf of Branicki.

A final source that mentions Heinrich is Baron Goltz's report from Paris 1769, Goltz being the Prussian envoy to France (whom I mentioned recently in response to Selena's question) and former Prussian envoy to Peter III.

So, to recap, our three reliable-seeming sources that mention Heinrich are:
- An anonymous recap of Mokranowski's speech to the Poles by a Pole.
- A summary of this episode by a Frenchman who may have known Mokranowski in Paris in 1769.
- An envoy report written several years later by a Prussian who knew Mokranowski during his stay in Paris in 1769, and wrote to Fritz summarizing what Mokranowksi had told him of what happened in 1764.

These three sources agree that 1) the main point of the embassy had nothing to do with Heinrich, 2) Heinrich's name came up in passing as a possible candidate.

Rulhière's version (which has mistakes), has Mokranowski saying, "Give us a king, give us your brother Prince Henri." Goltz's version has him saying, "Why does Your Majesty not want to give us a king from your own hand? The Poles would accept with joy and confidence someone like Prince Henri." In both accounts, Fritz responds, "He doesn't want to become Catholic." [Lol, Fritz.]

Finally, Fritz's reply to Goltz says, "Mokranowksi did indeed mention the proposal that you included in your last letter."

Critically, says Volz, there is no mention of a formal offer, just an idea, and Goltz specifically has Henri included just as an example of someone they (meaning the anti-Russian party) would accept.

In conclusion, it sort of happened, but there was no delegation sent to Fritz *in order to* ask for Heinrich as king, he just sort of came up in conversation as a possibility.

We all agree Fritz noped right out of that, though. ;)

Given that the guy who casually mentioned Heinrich was representing a party that had just been kicked out of Poland by occupying Russian troops, and given Kunersdorf and Zorndorf, I can see why Fritz did not want to touch the clusterfuck that is Poland and a war with Russia with a ten-foot pole in 1764. But you can tell he very much doesn't trust Heinrich to do the right thing here: Rulhière's account has him saying, "No, he really doesn't [want to become Catholic], and his stance on this is so firm that there's no point in talking to him; I will protect you from seeing it."

In *other* interesting Fritz-and-Poland news, I read Volz's account of Heinrich's maneuverings to end up in St. Petersburg, and indeed, it is convincing that Fritz did not send Heinrich to Catherine to propose a partition, but that this was Heinrich's initiative...but I have since turned up something that Volz does not mention in that article (unless I missed it in a footnote), but seems incredibly relevant:

In February 1769, Fritz proposed a partition of Poland to his envoy in St. Petersburg. He tried to pass it off as the idea of Count Lynar (remember, the former Danish ambassador to Russia who lost a game of intrigue with Moltke), who was in Berlin at the time to marry his daughter to a Kamecke, but my source (a 2022 book on the Russo-Turkish war of 1768-1774) says that it was Fritz's idea, as no reference to any such thing has been found in Lynar's papers. I have no source for the claim that it's *not* in Lynar's papers, but I have read the original letter from Fritz to his envoy Solms in 1769 in the Political Correspondence, so that's legit.

We've also seen that Fritz, in his political testament of 1768, told his successor that Poland must be eaten by an artichoke: leaf by leaf, and he was very interested in getting that land bridge from Pomerania to East Prussia.

But Catherine said no in 1769, and apparently by 1771, Fritz didn't think it was going to happen and was playing cautious. What's interesting is that historians will *either* say the partition was Fritz's idea and he "sent" Heinrich (which is wrong), or they'll say it was Heinrich's idea (or that it was proposed to him at Catherine's court and he started selling it to Fritz) without mentioning that Fritz himself had actually proposed it just 2 years before. (Given that, he may genuinely have believed later on that just a few months later he was chatting about a partition with Joseph, since Russia and Poland and what to do about the situation was a major topic of their discussion.) I actually had to read Norman Davies, of all people, to see that Fritz had made this proposal in 1769 (and then I couldn't find it in the P.C., because he gets the date wrong and doesn't name Solms), and then get this book Amazon recommended on the Russo-Turkish War to tell me how to find the actual proposal by Fritz.

So the true story seems to be: Fritz had the idea first, but got pushback and gave up on it, and wasn't prepared to re-adopt the idea two years later because he was expecting more pushback. (If he thought it was just Heinrich's idea, it's understandable that Fritz didn't realize how much support the idea now had at the Russian court, because of his previous experience, whereas Heinrich, who was there in St. Petersburg, realized how much had changed in 2 years.)

You know, if it didn't seem out of character for Fritz, I would still wonder...if someone makes you a proposal, refusing it because you want more but think you will lose face if you ask directly, if your BATNA is good enough, is a known negotiating technique that I have used myself. And it worked out for Fritz the same way it worked out for me: they started offering him more to catch his interest, and instead of getting one territory (the initial offer), he got the whole land bridge that he needed.

But I don't know that Fritz had that kind of subtlety, and it definitely doesn't seem like he and Heinrich worked this out in advance. He seems genuinely annoyed that little brother has decided to go to St. Petersburg and, as we saw, says, "I could have explained so many things in person." (Except you never would, Fritz, because you would rather poke your own eyes out than entrust Heinrich with a negotiation in a country out of your reach.)

Oh, and I meant to tie Branicki and Mokranowski back to The King's Secret. Remember when I wrote:

Then there are intrigues in the Polish Diet! The upshot is that the French come out on top for the present: they manage to get a powerful noble to defect to the French side, and prevent an alliance with Austria and Russia.

, which happened back in 1752? The powerful noble who defects to the French side is Branicki, and Mokranowski, according to Broglie, is the guy who gets him to defect. It's very dramatic:

The Act of Confederation was placed in a tent, which was speedily besieged by a crowd eager to sign the document. Mokranowski, having cleared a passage for himself, suddenly advanced to the table, as if with the intention of adding his own signature, caught up the paper, and, holding it tight against his breast, declared that it should only be taken from him with his life. Then, followed by the multitude attracted by this daring action, he went straight to the dwelling of the Grand General, and there, in a loud voice which could be heard by every one, he explained to the aged patriot what would be the consequences of the proceeding to which he was about to commit himself. He showed him that behind the National Confederation was a foreign invasion, only awaiting the signal to commence; a Russian army already collected on the frontier and ready to march in aid of civil war; and, as a result of this odious intervention of the foreigner, not only a Treaty of Alliance contrary to the interest of Poland, but a revolution by which the ancient liberties of the citizens would be sacrificed to the royal power. Every one knows how versatile are the masses--" Every assembly is a mob," said Cardinal de Retz--even an assembly of nobles like that which the young speaker was addressing. The passion in his face, the fire of his language, spread like an electric shock through the crowd; and, at the last moment, his happy allusion to the designs of the Czartoryski, which were already suspected, touched each member of the assembly on a sensitive point, and a universal clamour arose. Yielding to the popular enthusiasm, the Grand General rose, and, clasping Mokranowski in his arms, thanked him for having saved the country, while the young man tore the document, which he still held, to pieces, and trod upon the fragments.

The Grand General is Branicki.

Unfortunately, the H-W biographer says H-W's dispatch home says the defection happened for more boring reasons, and that this episode goes back to Rulhière. If you read The King's Secret and the H-W bio, you will constantly see the former uncritically accepting Rulhière's take, and the latter claiming Rulhière is guilty of pro-French bias, and saying that if you read H-W's and the Comte de Broglie's actual envoy reports, you get a more realistic picture.

Salon discusses )
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I've now read the three Franz Stephan biographies I got from the Stabi, products of vastly different eras. To which:


Fred Hennings, Georg Schreiber, Renate Zedinger: T'hree Franz Stephan biographers introduce themselves, their subject and their biographies )


How young Franz Stephen ended up in Vienna to begin with )

Did Franz Stephen sell army supplies to the Prussians? )

How FS nearly had to propose to EC in Fritz' place )

Choice quotes:

Spousal nicknames and endearments )

Invading is how you show true friendship: the Prussian envoy and FS in 1740 )

Franz Stephan: Hot or not? The Podewils version )

How Lorraine fared during the War of the Polish Succession )

If you think the problem of Julian (still used by the Russians) vs Georgian Calender is making 18th century history even more complicated, here's another issue. When FS takes over Tuscany, he also imports a new calendar AND way to count the hours of the day:

The actual arrival in Florence probably took place not before January 21st 1739. There aren't any detailed documents about these last few hours and in any case the documented dates invite misunderstandings, since the year started in Tuscany on March 23rd and thus the larger part of the (FS and MT) visit took place still in the year 1738 by Tuscan reckoning. The hours, too, were then counted "all'italiana", from the first hour after the evening Ave Maria twenty four hours to the Ave Maria of the next day; since the Ave Maria was, however, prayed differently according to the seasons, misunderstandings were preprogrammed. This changed because starting on March 30th 1739 the counting "alla francese" was introduced, twelve hours starting from noon and twelve hours after midnight. Which is why the only thing certain is that the arrival of the new Grandduke and Grandduchess happened in the afternoon and that they had made a stop at noon in front of the city in the Villa Corsi before that.

FS in Tuscany )

Ladies who lunch! )

FS presents his foreign policy suggestions )


FS: The Final Journeys (Frankfurt and Innsbruck) )
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The "Rothschild" in the title made me a bit wary because invoking the Rothschilds was such a popular antisemitic slander (these days, it's more George Soros who gets drafted for the same type of insinuation), but whatever else this book is, it's not antisemitic. In fact, even when the 7 Years War Fritzian war crimes complete with coin clipping are invoked, the author doesn't, as opposed to, say, Poniatowski in his memoirs, connects this with some antijudaistic slurs. Which doesn't mean the author doesn't have other axes to grind, because boy, does he ever. (More in a second.) But as this book is a passionate Brühl defense, "Rothschild" was - like Medici and Richelieu - meant as a compliment, signifying rich patron of the arts (in addition to master politician etc.).

Now, about those axes. Here's my experience reading the preface (as is my wont, and how we've discovered many an interesting thing, including Henri de Catt, RPF writer.)


AvB: How WWI could have been avoided: by MT winning the 7 Years War )

General overview of the biography )

Okay, on to details.

Portrait of the Brühl as a young man )

1730s Diplomacy: Send Tall Guys )

Ulrich von Suhm: Trusted Brühl Envoy and Master of Realpolitik )

Time Warp: Remember Manteuffel bribing courtiers and prostitutes? )

Brühl and MT during Silesia 1 and 2: He wasn't sure she was serious! )

Brühl sponsors the Arts in Peace Time and plots the Diplomatic Revolution )

Fritz destroys Saxony and Brühl's reputation )
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Reading through Aladàr von Boroviczény's biography of Saxon PM and Fritzian arch enemy Heinrich von Brühl, I came across some statements regarding former Saxon foreign minister Karl Heinrich von Hoym, the reasons for his downfall and his relationship with future Frederick the Great which merited a salon investigation. The results of which can be found here.

AvB wrote in his Brühl biography when discussing the mid 1730s: Yet another important information arrived at this time, which was confirmed by the Imperial Envoy Count Wratislaw: Crown Prince Friedrich had taken up his old secret relationship with the former Saxon minister Count Heinrich Karl Hoym and promised him an important role after his accession to the throne. Hoym thus was arrested on Brühl's orders at his estate on Dec. 18th 1735 and transferred to Königstein.
Hoym had been Saxon-Polish envoy in Paris in the years 1720 - 1729 and had been promoted to Cabinet Minister upo9n the death of Count Christoph Heinrich Watzdorf on September 3rd 1729. On March 23rd 1731, August the Strong had dismissed him in disgrace and banished to his estates. Now he got accused on 18 different matters, mainly because of disobedience towards the King, the illegal opening of letters, and corruption. Furtherly he got accused of having been informed of the desertion plans of Crown Prince Friedrich at the camp in Zeithain by a primary source, and having kept this information secret, and furtherly, that he betrayed the manufacturing secrets of Meissen porceillain to France.


Now, the fact that Friedrich approached Hoym during the Zeithain camp in 1730, trying to win his support for an escape, is amply documented; you can read Katte's description of it here, with the caveat that this is Katte's testimony months later when needing to emphasize how very reluctant his own and everyone else's support for the entire escape idea was because he still hopes not to die at this point of the interrogation. However, this inconclusive contact during Zeithain as well as the claim that Friedrich years later reconnected with Hoym as reasons for Hoym's downfall was news to us. As AvB thankfully provided footnotes for these claims and therefore sources: See about this Beyrich, a.a.O. S. 117 ff. and "Vie de Charles Henry Comte de Hoym, Ambassadeur de Saxe-POlogne en France, et celèbre amateur de livres, 1694 - 1736, par le Baron Jeromes Pichon, publié par la Ste des Bibliophiles Francais, Paris 1880, Tome 1, Chap. III, page 71 - 141.

Pichon: Hoym was framed! In 18 counts of accusation! )

Beyrich: Fritz had Hoym earmarked for future employment! So says Grumbkow! )


[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard then went to the Dresden State Archive:

Brühl: Hoym offered Fritz his services, but saying so out loud will get us into hot water with the Prussians )

Salon: we're still amazed Hoym got locked up for this and Suhm gets trusted with super secret negotiations )
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First of all, authorship to this book is credit to the Earl of Ilchester and Mrs. Langford-Brooke, which I took to meaning the Earl provided a great many of the papers and Mrs. L-B did the actual writing. The preface details the convoluted fate of H-W's papers, and how, among other events, earlier attempts to write is biography or publish a collection of his poetry failed, the later because Southey, the poet entrusted with the task, flat out refused because of changed morality. To which I say: Southey, you had it coming. Partly because of this, I presume, our author(s) are at pains to emphasize how Sir Charles Hanbury-Williams was a man of his time, alright, but not really a coarse Georgian, and would that he had lived in better times. Hence no syphilis, no non-straight verses (though his insinuating comments on Fritz and Hervey are kept intact), and of the het verses, nothing explicit.

This said, it's a biography that uses a lot of primary material - not just Hanbury's own papers but the national archives (which for example the mid 19th century Mitchell editor and publisher Andrew Bisset also used) for all the diplomatic dispatches, and in this regard, it's a treasure trove. Most of the footnotes go to primary sources. On the downside, it doesn't feel like the author(s) consulted many non-British sources - I mainly noticed Poniatowski's and Catherine's memoirs -, but not much else, and nothing German, despite H-W's work in Dresden, Berlin, Vienna, and of course all the Hannover stuff. And even of the British contemporaries, non-complimentary takes on H-W are dismissed in footnotes or in the final chapter with two sentences, like when we're told Lady Mary Wortley-Montagu didn't have a high opinion of him, but as she was friends with his wife, she wouldn't have. (Love the argument, as opposed to "she was on the other side of a feud you even quoted a poem of his from, wherein not only Hervey but she get direclty attacked, and oh, yes, she was friends with Hervey much more intensely - the Algarotti triangle not withstanding - than she was with his wife.) It very much feels like an authorized biography written centuries after the fact.

Charles Hanbury-Williams: Youth and Soulmate )


Back to the 1920s hagioraphy: At any event, Wimmington's death is what ultimately pushes H-W into his envoy career later. But first Charles is a young man about town, and our authors are at pains to emphasize he was NOT a member of the Hellfire Club and did not participate in its orgies, he was a member of the Society of Dilettanti, which was a slightly more respectable frat boy union and future office holder network. He falls in love with Peg Woffington, the great actress of the day, but while accepting his suit she's also lovers with David Garrick, most famous actor of the day, and this leads to the anecdote where a jealous H-W accuses her of having seen Garrick only this morning, when she told him she hadn't seen Garrick for eons. Replies Peg: "And is not that an age ago?"

We've now reached the early 1740s, and the contortion of "don't say syphilis!" re: H-W's impending marital breakup is so great that I must quote:

The Illness that Dare Not Speak Its Name )

Simultanously to having his marriage explode, H-W bitches with the Foxes about Hervey.

We hates him, Precious! )

Charles Hanbury Williams gets into politics )

Execution of two Jacobite Lords )

First Posting: Anglo Among Saxons )

Second Posting: Meet the Hohenzollerns )

Interlude: The Mystery of Madame Brandt )

Back to H-W's Prussian adventures.

Avoiding Jacobite Exiles, Meeting Voltaire, Still Not Meeting Fritz )

Wilhelmine visits, and thus we get a H-W written portrait of her:

I never met with a woman so learnedly ignorant )

And now for the big letterly explosion. Our biographer tells us this rant on why Fritz sucks, sucks, sucks, is so "outspoken as to be partly unpublishable", because clearly he agrees with Georg Schnath on the tender sensibilities of 1920s readers. Still, what we get is:

The completest Tyrant that God ever sent for a scourge )

Fatherly Advice Interlude )


After a brief second Saxon interlude, H-W gets posted to Vienna because London is under the impression the current envoy, Robert Keith, isn't tough enough on MT. As mentioned elsewhere, H-W was that rarity, an envoy who succeeded in making himself unpopular in Vienna and Berlin to the same degree. As with Fritz, he came with an already formed opinion, slightly revised it upon being received by FS & MT (as opposed to Fritz, they received him quickly), and then went back into critique.

Charles Hanbury-Williams Tells It All: Habsburg Edition )

So no, that diplomatic posting isn't a roaring success, either. Exit Charles Hanbury-Williams. Russia awaits!

Russian Prelude, more fatherly advice )

Meeting Catherine The Not Yet Great: Diplomatic Success at Last! )

Corresponding With Catherine )

Saying goodbye to Poniatowski and Catherine )

H-W's journey back is described including a mental breakdown in Hamburg. Again, no mention of syphilis. Instead, we leanr that vulnerable Sir Charles manages to attract an enterprising adventuress named Julie John or Johnes who manages, after three days of acquaintance, to extract a marriage pledge and a grant of 10,000 roobles. She will actually show up in England later waving the marriage pledge at his family and will have to be paid off. Says the book: Whether from noxious drugs or from more natural causes, Sir Charles became completely deranged during those days in Hamburg.

Aaand he's off, with another member of the Marwitz clan as escort. He's not locked up in the proverbial attic in England but cared for in a nice house, and his daughters visit, which he reports in a short letter showing he can pull himself together that much. But basically, it's the end for Charles Hanbury-Williams.

Charles Hanbury-Williams: The Rebuttal )
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Nothing new here, just a set of "best of" excerpts from the more comprehensive Suhm post here.

Ulrich Friedrich von Suhm, born 1691, was the Saxon envoy to Berlin from 1720 - 1730. His nickname was "Diaphane", meaning transparent, letting light through. The reason for this name is unknown.

He married Charlotte von der Lieth on November 1, 1721. In 1727, FW threatened to hang him because he was mad at actions of the Saxon ministers, who were mad at him over illegal recruiting practices. Suhm fled Prussia, and Augustus made him go back.

In October 1728, Suhm witnessed the episode at the St. Hubertus feast where FW forced Fritz to get drunk. He is our main source for this episode, in the form of two dispatches he wrote to August.

During this episode, Fritz is hanging onto Suhm's arm quite tightly, telling him that he hates drinking, and later Suhm is one of the people who puts him to bed.

Some time in 1730, Suhm's wife died. In January of that same year, he was released from service and gets a pension. Judging by his correspondence, he divides his time between Berlin and Dresden during this period.

Between 1732 and 1736, after Fritz was released from Küstrin and given his own regiment at Ruppin, Fritz used to come for a few weeks during the winter holidays to stay at Berlin. During this time, Fritz and Suhm used to sit by the fireside, talking late into the night about philosophy and the like.

Their extant Trier correspondence starts with Suhm responding to Fritz's request for a translation of Wolff's Metaphysics (the one Voltaire thought Fritz had translated, lol). Much of their early correspondence centers on the contents of Wolff, and the translation process. This is the manuscript that Mimi the monkey sets on fire, which we learn about because Fritz recounted the episode in a letter to Suhm. Fortunately, there was another copy! Unfortunately, someone had to recopy it for Fritz. Said copyist wasn't happy.

Then in 1737, shortly after Fritz moved into Rheinsberg, Suhm got an assignment to go be Saxon envoy to St. Petersburg. He really didn't want to go. But he convinced himself it was the right thing to do. Fritz really didn't want him to go. He failed to talk him out of going. They never saw each other again.

Once he gets to St. Petersburg, a lot of their correspondence centers on the loans Suhm's able to get Fritz from the Russians. They use the same code that Fritz uses with Seckendorff and the Austrians: books. Any time you see Fritz asking for a book not by Wolff in the second half of the correspondence, he's asking for money. If he's asking for 12 copies, he wants 12 times that amount. There are also other code words for loans in the form of other things he wants to obtain from the Russians. Oh, and also algebraic problems. Any algebraic problem is just code for "Solve for x, where x is the amount of money I want this time."

Amazingly, one of my sources says Fritz paid it all back within a few months of becoming king, and indeed, one of the postscripts to Suhm after he becomes king is "Ask the Duke (the de facto ruler of Russia at the time, who'd been lending Fritz money for years) where he'd like the money sent." I guess when your boyfriend is getting you money from the Russians, you're in a bigger hurry to pay it back than when Seckendorff is getting you money from the Austrians!

Then FW dies, and Fritz writes to Suhm the same message he writes to all his favorite people: "Dad just kicked it; come be an intellectual at my court!"

Sadly, Suhm had been having health problems for a few years, was very sick when he set out from St. Petersburg to Berlin, made it as far as Warsaw, lingered there for a month--excused from attending the court (remember, his boss Augustus* the Elector of Saxony is also the King of Poland) because of how sick he was--then finally realized he was dying, wrote to Fritz to ask him to take care of his kids, and died, November 8, 1740, without ever seeing Fritz. Not as tragic as Fritz/Katte, not as frustrating as Fritz/Peter Keith, still sad.

This is Fritz writing to Algarotti on Suhm's death: "I have just learned of Suhm's death, my close friend, who loved me as sincerely as I loved him, and who showed me until his death the confidence he had in my friendship and in my tenderness, of which he was convinced. I would rather have lost millions. We hardly find people who have so much spirit joined with so much candor and feeling. My heart will mourn him, and this in a way deeper than for most relatives. His memory will last as long as a drop of blood flows through my veins, and his family will be mine. Farewell; I cannot speak of anything else; my heart is bleeding, and the pain is too great to think of anything other than this wound."

The Fritz correspondence:

Wolff )

Franz Stephan )

Russia )

In Sickness and in Health )

Shipping Mode )

1740 chronology
Reading the 1740 letters, you can watch Suhm set out from St. Petersburg immediately, drag himself mile by painful mile in the letters, going as fast as he can, against all medical advice and the demands of his body, and only stopping for good when he reports himself being unable to get out of bed and being excused from attending court. He also, if I'm reading the correspondence correctly, decided to submit his request to resign his position at St. Petersburg *before* he even had an offer in hand from Fritz. Wow, rereading more closely, before he'd heard from Fritz at all.

May 31: FW dies.
June 14: Fritz writes a letter to Suhm telling him that he's king now and would Suhm like to come?
~June 15: The news reaches St. Petersburg. Fritz's June 14 letter is still on the way.
~June 15: Suhm writes to Dresden asking permission to leave St. Petersburg and go live with Fritz.
June 15: Suhm writes a letter congratulating and praising Fritz. He hasn't received Fritz's June 14 letter yet.
June 29: Fritz gets Suhm's June 15 letter. He thanks Suhm for the compliments, but says what he really was hoping for from the letter was to find out if Suhm wanted to join him. He sounds a little hurt.
July 2: Suhm gets Fritz's June 14 letter. He replies that he hadn't even waited for the formal invitation from the King but rather, relying on the Crown Prince's promises, immediately started trying to quit his job and is still waiting to hear back on that. Translation: "DUH, I want to be with you. I thought that went without saying."
July 15: Fritz gets Suhm's July 2 DUH letter. He is delighted.

So it seems to me like Suhm was motivated by love rather than a search for a position. Perhaps idealized love, and certainly not love that predicted the next 46 years, but one that was based on something real during the last 20.
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Two sets of icons from 1980s miniseries:

Der Thronfolger, featuring the dysfunctional Hohenzollern family and Katte

Childhood:

Siblings FWFritzDuhan HohenzollernBreakfeast


Wilhelmine and Fritz:

Wilhelmine WilhelmineLute FritzFlute


Father and son(s)

AWFritzFW FWGiantFritz FWFritz




Katte

KatteFWFritz MeetCuteKatteFritz

Katte KatteProfile

Execution

JudgmentDay RiendePardonerMonPrince KatteExecution

and

Fontanes Wanderungen durch die Mark Brandenburg, Part 2: Rheinsberg und Ruppiner Schweiz, featuring Heinrich and two of his boyfriends, Kaphengst and the Comte de la Roche-Raymon.

Heinrich:

Heinrich HeinrichObelisk HeinrichRheinsberg

Kaphengst:

Kaphengst2 Kaphengst1

Comte de la Roche-Raymon:


HeinrichComte1 HeinrichComte2
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A good while ago, [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard had asked me for a write up of two works by noted 18th century writer and philosopher Montesquieu which were relevant to our interests, to wit, My travels in Germany 1728–1729, edited and published in German by Jürgen Overhoff, and a very particular edition of Considerations on the Causes of the Greatness of the Romans and their Decline, 1734, which was owned by Frederick the Great and which he intensively commented on by scribling marginalia on the pages; said edition complete with its comments was available as a German paperback to me.

How not to travel through Germany in the first half of the 18th Century )

On to the Romans. This book, which was partly triggered by Montesquieu visiting Italy on the same journey, is way more fun, and not just because of the Fritz notes. In both cases, though, it's worth constantly keeping in mind Montesquieu is writing from the pov of a conservative French aristocrat, who despite all the compliments paid to Louis XIV regrets Louis' declawing of the French nobility to no end. (Louis revoking the Edict of Nantes and persecuting Protestants, otoh, is A plus.) All the observations on Roman decadence thus also have the subtext of criticism of current day France without getting censored for it. (Which, btw, isn't that different from Roman historians putting their present day criticism into the mouth of "barbarian" leaders and/or waxing on on how much better the ancestors did it.) Thus, Rome was doing well when the wise Patrician Senate was in charge, creating the Tribunes was already a step in the wrong direction, and naturally once the Empire came to be and the Senate devolved into a rubber stamp for imperial decisions, while the Emperors were except for five of them no good luxury loving parasites, everything went down the toilet.

Roman Greatness and Decadence according to Montesquieu, with added Fritz commentary on clemency, courage, fame and suicide )

Montsequieu and Fritz on tyrants, their successors and the ultimate horror: women in Politics )

These are just some of the lines and quotes. It's a truly interesting document, and I'm glad to have bought it.
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[personal profile] selenak asked what would have happened if Maria Theresia had taken up Fritz's offer of Silesia in return for defence of her realm against the rest of Europe. In the course of some lengthy speculation, we ended up writing down a lot of what actually did happen. Here are the notes on the factual parts. See the thread linked to for the speculative parts.

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard: Part of the reason MT was able to come off so well, holding on to everything apart from Silesia, was the same reason Prussia was able to survive the Seven Years' War: Having four enemies doesn't mean they're all super into supporting each others' land grabs. Fritz specifically wanted to keep France, Bavaria, and Saxony from getting too powerful in Germany. Or as Macaulay put it, "He had no wish to raise France to supreme power on the continent, at the expense of the house of Hapsburg. His first object was to rob the Queen of Hungary. His second was that, if possible, nobody should rob her but himself."

Macaulay actually said that before Fritz invaded, it was looking like Europe would respect the Pragmatic Sanction, and that there wouldn't have been a war of the Austrian Succession without him. I was skeptical at the time, but now having dug more into the internal politics of each country, I'm less skeptical. Saxony and France each have reasons not to go to war over Habsburg territory. Bavaria's unlikely to act alone. Spain would have gone to war regardless, but only in Italy. Russia was in support of Austria and the Pragmatic Sanction (and, like, genuinely, not reluctantly),

[personal profile] selenak: One reason why MT - who, it‘s always worth pointing out, was the first female Habsburg to rule not as a regent for a male monarch but as a monarch in her own right - managed to have her authority accepted in her own realms was that nobility and people alike could see she didn‘t fold, that she didn‘t flee, that she wasn‘t dominated by a favourite and/or her husband. As Rillinger points out, the caricatures during the first two Silesian Wars show the changing public perception - at first you have the misogynistic ones, some even with rape imagery (not disapproving of the rapists), and she’s a damsel crying for help, whereas later you have her wearing the proverbial pants instead. I‘m also thinking of all the envoy reports by Podewils between Silesian Wars saying MT is now bossing everyone around and thus showing what‘s under the „attacked woman“ mask. (Meaning she acts like any other male monarch, I suppose.) Would people have let themselves be ordered if she hadn‘t stood up to Fritz? Female rulers perceived as „weak“ usually don‘t end up ruling long.

Saxony )
France )
More France notes )
Spain )

Bonus Fleury quote describing Fritz during this period:

I confess that the king of Prussia, who is not in this situation [of not being rich or powerful enough for a land grab, like Bavaria], disquiets me more than any other. He has no order in his disposition: he listens to no counsel and takes his resolutions thoughtlessly, without having previously prepared measures suitable for success. Good faith and sincerity are not his favourite virtues and he is false in everything, even in his caresses. I even doubt whether he is sure in his alliances, because he has for guiding principle only his own interest. He will wish to govern and to have his own way without any concert with us, and he is detested throughout Europe.
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Or, to give the full title: Life and Deeds of the Most Serene and Mighty King in Prussia, Friedrich Wilhelm I.

David Faßmann, as a reminder, came to FW's court in the later 1720s, gunning for Gundling's jobs, was, when various pastors refused to bury Gundling in a wine barrel, drafted by FW to hold the funeral service (and sermon) instead, wrote a satire on Gundling which formed Gundling's image for centuries, did get some of Gundling's jobs (though not Academy President) after Gundling's death, found the reality of working for FW so ghastly that he fled Prussia after a few months. His 1735 biography of FW which I'm reviewing here was written after FW's long and dangereous 1734 illness made a lot of people (including his oldest son and daughter) believe his demise was imminent (as can be seen from their letters). Presumably Fassmann wanted to get his royal biography out in time for the funeral, found there was no funeral, and published it anyway.

The result was a really lengthy book with a lot of royal declarations quoted. It's really noticeable that Fassmann didn't join FW's court until the later 1720s. Until that point, there isn't much about FW the person, it's just FW the model reform monarch. And good lord, pages upon pages of descriptions of SD's entrance in Berlin as a bride, or F1's wake and funeral procession. And so many royal declarations! There are some childhood anecdotes, though notably no unflattering ones (no Tiny Terror FW beating up his teacher or his cousin here!), for example the one where young FW swallows his golden shoe clip because he hates waste and splendor that much as a kid already.

The comparison to Morgenstern, writing just a few decades later, is instructive, because Fassmann and Morgenstern knew FW in roughly the same decade, and neither knew him when young, i.e. they're both referring hearsay. But Morgenstern is writing in Fritz' era, and so there's F1 bashing, Tiny Terror FW, SC criticism, and what might just be the earliest mention in a public source (as opposed to private correspondence not accessible to normal contemporaries) of young FW wanting to marry Caroline before he hooks up with SD. By contrast, Fassmann doesn't mention Caroline, SD was the perfect princess and then became the perfect Queen, and she and FW have the perfect marriage. What else!

Then we get into the later 1720s, and suddenly you get detailed stuff that actually feels like an eye wittness account, like this one about FW's 1728/1729 serious illness:

A Model Monarch and his loving family: 1729 snapshot )

Absolutely no mention of any father/son problems until we get to the FW and Fritz tour of the summer of 1730. And there Fassmann first gives us the tourist attractions and FW's reaction to each of them as if he's writing a travelogue, which made me wonder whether he's actually going to skip over the entire incident. But no. After talking about FW, Mannheim tourist, he suddenly says, only slightly paraphrased: Oh, and on this journey, something went down between the King and the Crown Prince, which has been talked about so much that I guess I have to include it. Now I don't know what really happened, and nor do you, reader, and since neither of us will ever find out, let's just be joyful that the cloud of this sad disagreement has disappeared and now the King and the Crown Prince are living in perfect harmony again. True, this sad affair has cost this officer of the Regiment Gens d'Armes, one Herr von Katte, his head, and this despite him being the son of ultra respectable FW buddy and officer Hans Herrmann and the grandson of rich and respected Wartensleben. V. sad. But look, these things happen between royals! Future F1 also ran away from his Dad when he was still a Kurprinz! And hey, we can all read in the newspapers that Fritz of Wales hardly ever shows up at court but keeps staying at a place called Richmond. FW and Fritz aren't unusual, is what I'm saying. I hope people in high places won't hold it against me that I mentioned this wretched affair at all, it's just that it's so well known that my readers wouldn't trust me if I didn't mention it. Okay, so FW then went to Wusterhausen and spend the rest of the year there...

By contrast, his report on the bonkers Clement affair actually is pretty matter-of-factly and much as I've found it in other accounts. Fassmann doesn't doubt for a moment Clement was a gifted conman (with untrustworthy black eyes!) (also of small stature and fat! So it can't have been his looks, I guess...) and a lying liar. He doesn't mention that FW had a hard time giving up on Clement, but other than that, his account, as mentioned, is very much on the money. Interestingly, he does mention that in the fallout of the Clement affair SD's lady in waiting, Frau von Baspiel, had to leave the court after a brief Spandau interlude with her husband, but he doesn't include the fact that this was because while Frau von Baspiel had nothing to do with Clement or insane kidnap plans, she did in fact spy for the Saxons (and had been Manteuffel's mistress). Whether this is because Fassmann truly doesn't know or whether he wants to be discreet, I have no idea.

One more trivia fact: if his account of FW breaking the "you're going to get married" news to Friederike Louise is in any way correct, the Hohenzollern called this sister of Fritz' "Louise".

Post 1731: Fassmann stalks FW via the papers )

Bears! )

When Fassmann, near the end, lists all the members of the royal family, you can tell he likes Charlotte and Friederike Louise best of all the girls, because they get more than a page each, where Wilhelmine gets just a few lines saying she's a very virtuous and god fearing (!) model of a wife now. Fritz, future King, is now a wonderful person and all the world has only good things to expect from his reign. Heinrich he hasn't seen since Heinrich was five, but he thinks this is a smart kid who would make a good future Dompropst and theologian.

That time FW had a son arrested and made him submit: little Heinrich edition )

There's also a lot about FW's good deeds for the Salzburg Protestants (giving them a new home), founding the famous Charité hospital, founding orphan houses and schools etc., all of which he did do, but good lord, this is in general a white washing/spin-meister job of the first order. I suspect Fassmann after a few years in the wilderness was short of cash and toyed with the idea of going back in the hope of getting rehired?

Lastly: Fassmann early on mentions FW being fluent in French from childhood onwards (true) and later insisting on only talking German to his children (also true and often testified) in order to make them love the language.

Now remember which language FW's children used near exclusively when grown up, and also (most of) their religious commitment in adulthood.

Fontane, when commenting on Heinrich's pretending to have forgotten his German in his old age: "One is tempted to call this the logical consequence of a childhood where German was rammed down one's throat."
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While the estimable Dr. Schmidt(-Lötzen) only had the chance to publish four volumes of Lehndorff's diaries in book form, with volume IV covering the time until and including 1784, he did continue to publish his translations in the journal "Masovia" (where the first four volumes also made their debut in separate installments before being collected in book volumes), up to and including the year 1787.

1785: Twilight of the Fritz )


1785: Meeting Lafayette )

1786: Catherine the Great's true love rival revealed! )


1786: The Death of Kings )

1786-1787: New King, new job opportunities? )

Kalckreuth: The return )

Soon, Lehndorff has other worries, though.

On nearly losing your child (again) )


Karl makes it out of the sickness alive, though. Lehndorff's wife and his two other children get smallpox the same year, but survive as well, so there is more fretting and worrying, and then once he doesn't have worry about their lives anymore, Heinrich gives up and decides to go to Rheinsberg.

1787: Death of a Princess, Retirement for a Prince )

This would be a good place to end this write up, but unfortunately, there's still a decades-in-the-making rant to go through. It's one long outburst about how much life has screwed Lehndorff over, and thus he concludes 1787:

Money can't buy you love, especially if you keep not getting it )
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Remember when [personal profile] selenak gave us a truly royal write-up of Sachsens Glanz und Preußens Gloria that was almost as good as having seen the miniseries?

And she reported this:

Brühl: So, I've been thinking. Silesia got unfortunately nabbed by Fritz of Prussia, but Saxony can still end up as a superpower by diplomacy, since he's been pissing off everyone else in the last decade. I' have this brilliant plan of creating an alliance between France and Austria, with Russia and Sweden joining in. And Saxony right in the middle.

Moscynska: Wow. How come you're letting this Kaunitz guy all the credit?

Brühl: I'm modest like that.


With later commentary:

[personal profile] selenak: Plans to invade and take Silesia by people not Fritz: well, I guess both Poland and Saxony do in fact share borders with Silesia, but Sulkowski planning to take it is entirely invented (by either the tv show or the original novelist). Yes, the Austrian army was in decline, but the Habsburgs still had not only their territories but the entire HRE to draw on (since this was before MT's Dad had died, his rule was uncontested). Such an action would have made August III. an outlaw all the other German princes would have been obliged to go against. And the Saxon army really wasn't nothing much, not least because all the money went elsehwere. If you don't have a completely modern, drilled and well equipped army at your disposal like Fritz did in 1740, in a situation where MT's rule hasn't been accepted yet, it can't be done.

It is, however, in tandem with this show letting the Saxons think of everything first - Silesia, and later the Diplomatic Revolution. (It's true that Brühl was involved in some of the negotiations, but it definitely hadn't been his brainchild.)


The TL;DR of my recent findings is:

Getting (at least part of) Silesia was one of Saxony's two main goals from at least 1726 to 1756. (The other being making Poland a hereditary monarchy.) They had absolutely no chance of taking it by force, for the reasons Selena spelled out, but they were relentlessly campaigning to get it by diplomacy. So the miniseries was...on the right track about Saxony's goals but taking creative license with their methods for dramatic purposes?

Once Silesia was in Prussian hands and Prussia had permanently alienated Saxony, the only way to get Silesia was by taking it from Prussia. Which Saxony absolutely could not do, for the reasons Selena spelled out. So Brühl set out on a mission to get Austria and France to set aside their differences, form a coalition with Russia and whoever else wanted to join (hopefully GB), and wage war on the real enemy: Fritz. Brühl's attempts to pull off the Diplomatic Revolution started in 1744, 5 years before Kaunitz's first memorandum, and continued unbroken for 12 years, independently of Kaunitz, so the miniseries got at least that much right!

Unfortunately for Brühl, not only were his efforts unsuccessful, but he missed his brief window in 1756 to join Kaunitz's coalition, so everything generally sucked for Saxony all around.

Background )

Silesia )

Wannabe Diplomatic Revolutionaries )

Footnote )

Saxony's Diplomacy and Prussia's Gangsters With Good PR )

It's Personal )

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